The Problem with the Anti-PUA arguments here

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Most anti-PUAs here will argue that attraction cannot be generated through verbal or even physical techniques taught by most PUAs. The girl has to be automatically attracted to the guy for these to work-definitely the physical escalation techniques, otherwise he's a sexual assaulter. The verbal attraction techniques won't work. However, that only covers attraction. Comfort still has to be built with a girl for things to get sexual along with physical escalation. Comfort=time and trust, most guys have little difficulty creating comfort and don't need to learn PUA techniques to do this. However, this is one area where some guys might need help and where PUA tips, tricks or techniques could help out. So PUA material can still be valuable in this one area. Physical escalation is another area where PUA material can help some guys out, though one doesn't have to go to PUA material for help on this, or reading the signs that a female is "attracted", this type of material is covered in scientific studies on the subject by social scientists. Approaching is another area where guys might need help, and some PUA material might be valuable for this. Although there are other sources of help like anxiety meds, alcohol, cognitive-behavioral therapy, going sarging with a friend for encouragement. So even if you want to argue attraction is based on physical appearance and can't be created through any PUA techniques (though I doubt this), guys can still benefit from PUA material in the areas of approaching, comfort building, and physical escalation-though as I said there are alternatives to PUA material for help in these areas.
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No they can't

Because PUA will frustrate them , so they will buy more books/bootcamps.


1. They lie looks does not matter
2. they put them in front of many girls
3. they say women will judge them based on their "soul" and "how smart they are"

4. they blame them that 1000 girl rejected them

"dude, did you saw those 1000 girls rejecting you? it must be something with you dude!!!!"

clarificat wrote:No they can't

Because PUA will frustrate them , so they will buy more books/bootcamps.


1. They lie looks does not matter
2. they put them in front of many girls
3. they say women will judge them based on their "soul" and "how smart they are"

4. they blame them that 1000 girl rejected them

"dude, did you saw those 1000 girls rejecting you? it must be something with you dude!!!!"


+1
Good summation as to why PUA is a scam and is totally useless.
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beta wrote:Most anti-PUAs here will argue that attraction cannot be generated through verbal or even physical techniques taught by most PUAs. The girl has to be automatically attracted to the guy for these to work-definitely the physical escalation techniques, otherwise he's a sexual assaulter. The verbal attraction techniques won't work. However, that only covers attraction. Comfort still has to be built with a girl for things to get sexual along with physical escalation. Comfort=time and trust, most guys have little difficulty creating comfort and don't need to learn PUA techniques to do this. However, this is one area where some guys might need help and where PUA tips, tricks or techniques could help out. So PUA material can still be valuable in this one area. Physical escalation is another area where PUA material can help some guys out, though one doesn't have to go to PUA material for help on this, or reading the signs that a female is "attracted", this type of material is covered in scientific studies on the subject by social scientists. Approaching is another area where guys might need help, and some PUA material might be valuable for this. Although there are other sources of help like anxiety meds, alcohol, cognitive-behavioral therapy, going sarging with a friend for encouragement. So even if you want to argue attraction is based on physical appearance and can't be created through any PUA techniques (though I doubt this), guys can still benefit from PUA material in the areas of approaching, comfort building, and physical escalation-though as I said there are alternatives to PUA material for help in these areas.


Good post, and you have made some good points here.

As one of the most staunch anti-PUAs here, and on the old PUAHate(even though I never wasted any money on PUA junk), I stand by my view that the entire PUA industry is a scam, and that attracting women for the purpose of romantic/sexual relationships (whether casual or long term), is NOT a skill that can be taught.

Once again, when it comes to relationships and sex, women are the CHOOSERS, and as such, they play judge, jury and executioner when it comes to gauging your true sexual market value. Women PRESELECT the men they want based on the man's looks, as a man your chances of being PRESELECTED by women is largely determined by how well you fared in the genetics lottery, if you lost out badly in the genetics lottery (like me for example), trying to attract any woman is going to be an often self esteem crushing experience.

I will say that there is one skill that men should know with regards to interacting with women that they may have a romantic/sexual interest in, and that is, the ability to correctly read female body language, but this is self taught and you don't need to waste $3K on ineffectual PUA crap, for something that is, for the most part, common sense.

Master Yoda wrote:
beta wrote:Most anti-PUAs here will argue that attraction cannot be generated through verbal or even physical techniques taught by most PUAs. The girl has to be automatically attracted to the guy for these to work-definitely the physical escalation techniques, otherwise he's a sexual assaulter. The verbal attraction techniques won't work. However, that only covers attraction. Comfort still has to be built with a girl for things to get sexual along with physical escalation. Comfort=time and trust, most guys have little difficulty creating comfort and don't need to learn PUA techniques to do this. However, this is one area where some guys might need help and where PUA tips, tricks or techniques could help out. So PUA material can still be valuable in this one area. Physical escalation is another area where PUA material can help some guys out, though one doesn't have to go to PUA material for help on this, or reading the signs that a female is "attracted", this type of material is covered in scientific studies on the subject by social scientists. Approaching is another area where guys might need help, and some PUA material might be valuable for this. Although there are other sources of help like anxiety meds, alcohol, cognitive-behavioral therapy, going sarging with a friend for encouragement. So even if you want to argue attraction is based on physical appearance and can't be created through any PUA techniques (though I doubt this), guys can still benefit from PUA material in the areas of approaching, comfort building, and physical escalation-though as I said there are alternatives to PUA material for help in these areas.


Good post, and you have made some good points here.

As one of the most staunch anti-PUAs here, and on the old PUAHate(even though I never wasted any money on PUA junk), I stand by my view that the entire PUA industry is a scam, and that attracting women for the purpose of romantic/sexual relationships (whether casual or long term), is NOT a skill that can be taught.

Once again, when it comes to relationships and sex, women are the CHOOSERS, and as such, they play judge, jury and executioner when it comes to gauging your true sexual market value. Women PRESELECT the men they want based on the man's looks, as a man your chances of being PRESELECTED by women is largely determined by how well you fared in the genetics lottery, if you lost out badly in the genetics lottery (like me for example), trying to attract any woman is going to be an often self esteem crushing experience.

I will say that there is one skill that men should know with regards to interacting with women that they may have a romantic/sexual interest in, and that is, the ability to correctly read female body language, but this is self taught and you don't need to waste $3K on ineffectual PUA crap, for something that is, for the most part, common sense.


Master Yoda,

I also believe women are choosers and so do some Dating coaches like R. Don Steele, this idea is somewhat scientifically based on the studies of the mating behaviors of primates and other animals. In the animal kingdom and among primates, women are the mate choosers, so if you believe in evolution you can conclude the same thing about human females. This idea, however, doesn't invalidate that a man can influence a woman's choice through his behavior. Women aren't always only attracted to a guy's looks. These same social scientists will tell you women largely choose men based on status and resources (money). We can see this everywhere. Did you see Harvey Winestein's beautiful young wife? This guy is basically a toad, no wonder so many women exposing him.

When you're not an "alpha" in their eyes women don't even look at you as a human being. You're just some background character and when you step out of line it's "awkward" and "creepy".
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