Do you consider Spaniards to be white?

Anything having to do with race, including the attractiveness of races.

I don't, tons of Spaniards legit look MENA, plenty of Iberians look like Latin Americans too. It's funny cause you see cherrypicked images of Iberian people online, yet tons look brown in reality. I've seen plenty of Iberians who don't look "white" or consider themselves to be "white" too.

Genetically, they're more related to Norther Europeans than Northern Italians.

But anyway, White is subjective. The standard of "White" is NorthWestern Eruopeans since it's conception, and the distance from that is basically the standard of Whiteness. That's all it is.

Arch Hades wrote:Genetically, they're more related to Norther Europeans than Northern Italians.

But anyway, White is subjective. The standard of "White" is NorthWestern Eruopeans since it's conception, and the distance from that is basically the standard of Whiteness. That's all it is.


They have a decent amount of North African admixture and genome studies corroborate this. Some studies say they're up to 25% North African. I grew up in an area with a huge Italian community (most them being of Southern origin) and they still looked white to me. Never knew one Italian growing up who didn't look white. I went to Spain and saw tons of people who looked non-white, this wasn't in an area with a lot of immigrants, but ethnic Spaniards.

Do these Iberians look like fair Atlantids to you?

Random Iberian celebs (soccer players, actors, etc):

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They would all go unnoticed in any Arab country, all while not looking odd for Spain. These two girls below look very typical for Spain:

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They're Gracile Med types, yet doubt they would be seen as "white" in America. That first girl (Eva Carniero) is half Anglo too. Even in Northern Spain you can find MENA types. Plenty of Americans said Cristiano Ronaldo is non-white and some him labelled as "Hispanic" when he's an Atlanto-Med and looks very typical for Spain and Portugal.

Shit, just look at two Spanish female pornstars Bridgette B and Rebeca Linares (sure you know who they are) do they look like typical white girls to you? Most Americans probably thought they were Latina.

Miss Spain 2013 and 2014:

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Nobody would see them as "white" in America and could easily be Latina or Arab.

You posted ethnics on purpose. How about these Spaniards?

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Whimminz reactions when I try to be more "confident":
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Yep, they just have a little more people on the fringe of being white than other Europeans. Due to their closer proximity to North Africa. Some could fit in places in the arab world, such as Lebanon, some even Latin America. I don't think blondes, red haired dudes or super blue eyed people should be chosen to represent the Spanish. Those are a minority, most are black haired, brown eyed. Should find a more representitive one besides Gerard. I think Iker would be a better choice. Though the Spanish aren't typically as robust as he.

Arch Hades wrote:Genetically, they're more related to Norther Europeans than Northern Italians.

But anyway, White is subjective. The standard of "White" is NorthWestern Eruopeans since it's conception, and the distance from that is basically the standard of Whiteness. That's all it is.


Not at all. I just posted a map on this yesterday. Infact Northern italians are the only Italians related to the Spanish. The South Italians are distant from the rest of the Latins. Only Latin nation that overlaps a bit with Germans, Brits or the Dutch are the Northern French.
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chronic4 wrote:Yep, they just have a little more people on the fringe of being white than other Europeans. Due to their closer proximity to North Africa.


Lol, I agree that most Spaniards are white, however some definitely look MENA.

Just look at this guy:

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He legit looks Egyptian, one of the most exotic ethnic Europeans ever. However it's true that Iberians are genetically 'whiter' than Southern Italians and Greeks (in terms of overall European DNA) however their non-European DNA is North African, unlike S.Italians/Greeks who mostly have West Asian non-Euro admixture, so it results in darker features.

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This guy is Arabid, looks like a Saudia Arabian Prince.

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This guy has Berberid features. However I definitely cherrypicked more exotic Spaniards, but still Spaniards who look MENA are apart of the variation. I like to troll Spaniards cause they get extremely asshurt over their 'whiteness' more than anyone. Nonetheless, Spaniards look like Latin Americans who don't show visible Negroid/Amerindian admixture to me.

They have a decent amount of North African admixture and genome studies corroborate this. Some studies say they're up to 25% North African.


Historical North African and Saracen admixture in Spain has been quantified....and it isnt even close to being 25%...that's nonsense.

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Your cherry picked picture spam proves nothing.

For modern intents and purposes, most of them would pass as "white". Overall, I noticed that Spaniards and Portuguese are the darkest Europeans(obviously excluding Sicily, Malta, Greek Islands, etc.) This was also what anthropologists like Coon noted.

Anecdotal experience: From experience (I'll refer to Iberians as Spaniards), Spaniards have the largest variety in looks in all of Europe, much more than you'd see in any other country, which is not surprising considering both the size of the peninsula (larger than the euro part of France) and ease of isolation within the land, and I've traveled over many european countries.
There are a lot of people here who overlap with the whitest NA, especially because many people in NA are descendants of mediterranean europeans, just as there are many, many people who overlap with northwestern europeans, in terms of looks.
Spamming pictures to prove either whiteness or darkness is kind of pointless because I could easily make spaniards look British or North African by cherrypicking photographs from my list of friends in facebook.
There's also a distinct North/South gradient in what we could consider fair features to add to the already large disparity in looks. Such gradient exists in Germany as well for example, a Bavarian can be quite different from a man from Holstein, and this I've seen first hand, but it is larger here. Anecdotally there is also a West/East gradient peaking near the Asturias but honestly I never noticed it.

About genetic clusters, they are somewhat useless in determining features but we tend to cluster somewhat in the middle of French and N.Italians
Recent research also indicated a large disparity in ancestry between Northern and Southern Spaniards.

To reply to some of the quotes:

they are ethnik as fuck

Some here do look ethnik as fuck

Overall, I noticed that Spaniards and Portuguese are the darkest Europeans(obviously excluding Sicily, Malta, Greek Islands, etc.) This was also what anthropologists like Coon noted.


This has recently been proven wrong. Coon's research is over a century old and he purposely cherrypicked data to fit the model of the time, that both the Spanish Empire and the Portuguese one started decaying from the influx of slaves, which records from the time prove to be wrong, and also the fact he went to the only large slave town in the entire peninsula and extrapolated data for the whole Southwestern/Southern region, which is frauding.

Recent studies on the pigment of skin for a larger cancer study also proved that out of all southern euros we tend to have the fairest skin (not surprising given our western condition and the fact that it's Northwestern euros who have the whitest skin out of everyone, but they aren't the blondest nor the most Germanic), but I can confirm we have a tendency for heavy, wide eyebrows for example.

I can probably post the source for any claim which I did not mark as anecdotal to back it up, if you have questions about anything here I can answer :D

Darkness in Bavarians is greatly exaggerated. A lot try to portray them as meds but they're not. They aren't ultra nordic on average but not swarthy either most have brown hair and light pink pigmented skin. Overall Bavarians in general still look NW and are lighter than South Europeans. There's not much of med origin in their phenotypes same with Austrians. Phenotypically most common Spanish phenotypes are mediterranid, berids, gracile meds, slight touch of alpinoids. Similar to Portugal only difference Spain has less alpines. For contrast Brits - North Atlantic, Keltic nordid, borreby. Germans - Dalofaelids, borrebies, mixed nordids out the ass. Italy - alpines, gracile meds, dinarids. So quite distinct.

I've got a pretty good image of how every western european country looks because I've traveled a lot, also been to some eastern euros. That being said, portraying bavarians as med is ridiculous and you probably misread what I said because I was talking about a North/South gradient existing in the first place and not about it's extent.

Anyways, those Coon categories are only really good as general guidelines because they aren't stable, i.e. they have no objective value. Tbh the man is an extreme version of Freud, he was the first to try and think the way he did and formalize it, it's just that he was dead wrong on just about everything (including the very data he collected, check Peter Frost and compare http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Frost_06.html)

If he are going by those categories people on anthro boards seem to love, yeah I'd guess it's usually Atlantid-med and Gracile-med, with the south being more berid and the north more alpine, nothing that's not expected. I'd also like to point the large variation in phenotype that can happen here, larger than any other population of euros in any given sample.

Anakind wrote:You posted ethnics on purpose. How about these Spaniards?

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Sergio rramos dyes his hair.. There is a rumor he is part gypsy...

And Xavi alonso looks kind of whiter than average spaniard but doesnt look northern european, he has southern european eyeset I'd think he could pass as a french ...but not quite as German, Dutch or Scandinavian who are the true northern europeans. British people are pseudo-meds

chronic4 wrote:Darkness in Bavarians is greatly exaggerated. A lot try to portray them as meds but they're not. They aren't ultra nordic on average but not swarthy either most have brown hair and light pink pigmented skin. Overall Bavarians in general still look NW and are lighter than South Europeans. There's not much of med origin in their phenotypes same with Austrians. Phenotypically most common Spanish phenotypes are mediterranid, berids, gracile meds, slight touch of alpinoids. Similar to Portugal only difference Spain has less alpines. For contrast Brits - North Atlantic, Keltic nordid, borreby. Germans - Dalofaelids, borrebies, mixed nordids out the ass. Italy - alpines, gracile meds, dinarids. So quite distinct.



You clearly have never seen bavarians.. the large chunk of bavarians and Austrians have some sort of lightbrown to dark blond hair... They are definitely lighter haired/blonder and more germanic featured than British people (who tend to heavely lean towards brunette hair and light eyes in average).

Brits and Irish are far more med looking (you can almost always see med strains in their phenotypes) than compared to austrians who are usually faelid, borreby , subnordid and with dinarid and alpinid strains... which give them sometimes a slight slavic vibe which gets even more evident in the case of Austrians.

Yeah, I'm from a 'White Country' and I look as/more exotic than many Spaniards.

White Supremacists who have an Nordic/Germanic fetish are weird.
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My family is 100% Spaniard origin. Light brown/brown/blonde mixed hair, green/blue eyes, and European features+ white skin/lightly tanned in summer. So, you tell me.

Btw, is Bridgette B Spaniard or Latina?

Wikipedia says born in Barcelona,Spain, 10-15-1983. Ethnicity Caucasian.

Brazzers says Barcelona,Spain. Ethnicity Latina.

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Hexagon wrote:Btw, is Bridgette B Spaniard or Latina?

Wikipedia says born in Barcelona,Spain, 10-15-1983. Ethnicity Caucasian.

Brazzers says Barcelona,Spain. Ethnicity Latina.

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She looks Latina.

Spain has one of the highest immigrant rates in the World. Many Hispanic South Americans move their.

Are Spaniards are white? Absolutely?

Are many Spanish people non-white. Absolutely.

Remember, the REAL Spaniards are mix between romans and visigoths, you can quickly identify the real spaniards. Fully European faces and bodies, tanned skin and light eyes.

But here is the thing with tanning. All (ethnic) Europeans from Iceland to Sicily, are BORN with a white skin. If an "european" child is a born with a "tanned" (brown) skin... he is absolutely non-european.
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loveblondes wrote:
chronic4 wrote:Darkness in Bavarians is greatly exaggerated. A lot try to portray them as meds but they're not. They aren't ultra nordic on average but not swarthy either most have brown hair and light pink pigmented skin. Overall Bavarians in general still look NW and are lighter than South Europeans. There's not much of med origin in their phenotypes same with Austrians. Phenotypically most common Spanish phenotypes are mediterranid, berids, gracile meds, slight touch of alpinoids. Similar to Portugal only difference Spain has less alpines. For contrast Brits - North Atlantic, Keltic nordid, borreby. Germans - Dalofaelids, borrebies, mixed nordids out the ass. Italy - alpines, gracile meds, dinarids. So quite distinct.



You clearly have never seen bavarians.. the large chunk of bavarians and Austrians have some sort of lightbrown to dark blond hair... They are definitely lighter haired/blonder and more germanic featured than British people (who tend to heavely lean towards brunette hair and light eyes in average).

Brits and Irish are far more med looking (you can almost always see med strains in their phenotypes) than compared to austrians who are usually faelid, borreby , subnordid and with dinarid and alpinid strains... which give them sometimes a slight slavic vibe which gets even more evident in the case of Austrians.


Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Bavarians are comparable to the Welsh. Blonde hair also =/= germanic. The most blonde country in Europe is not Germanic. Sami are heavily blonde, they are not Germanic. Finns are the most blonde, they are not germanic. Germanic in is a linquistic group, not an ethnicity and you're borderline retarded if you think any nation in Europe is "pure germanic" even Scandinavia has changed much since the viking age what makes you think Germany is considering its location in Europe? Germanic groups, meds, slavs, celts have all been in Germany at one point. Many Bavarians and especially Austrians could fit right in Northern Italy. Even the Welsh on average are lighter pigmented and Brits as a whole fairer than Germany. Brits are the palest people in Europe especially the Irish. The majority of German Americans came from Bavaria and this is what the majority looked like.

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Only blondes were mostly children which got much darker with age same as the Welsh. The English and Scottish Americans in general were lighter. What is the obsession with blonde hair? the best looking Brits, Scandinavians and Germans tend to have neutral colors going from brown to darker not blonde. Even blonde Italians tend to look more incel than the brown haired ones.

white/pale skin seems to be rare in spain.
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3/4 Spaniard, 1/4 Choco Indian here.

I look weird as fuck. I get mistaken for Asian, white, Turk, and sometimes people actually figure out I am just hispanic (in the US, they did).

My skin tone is kind of milky, a little yellowish. I am very pale and I have black hair and dark eyes. My grandfather was tanned with green eyes. My other grandfather was ruddy-skinned with blue eyes.

Yes, Spaniards are weird. Just look at Javier Bardem. He could pass for a dark-haired American in No country for old men, but his brother looks plain Mexican.

However Elsa Pataky looks like the average European. As does Judit Masco.

There´s a lot of brown spaniards but i think the average spanish man looks white.

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Shawn wrote:
Arch Hades wrote:They would all go unnoticed in any Arab country, all while not looking odd for Spain. These two girls below look very typical for Spain:





Problem is mostly arab and amazigh people looks much more brown or even negroid, maybe in Lebannon, Syria, Turkey (not arabs) you can find those "gracile med" pretty girls, but not in the other arab countries. And the arabian Peninsula is full of former black slaves, they have slavery untill 50´s

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About some "Spaniards" in this thread:

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Canary Islands, Spanish+ Amazigh+ African slaves

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Portugal people looks more brown.

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Jew and Faggot

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Canary Islands

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100 % FAGGOT

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I think she is not Eva Carneiro, maybe a South American girl, but anyway Gibraltar people abandoned the town after british ocupation and they were replaced by a mixture of people from Malta, Portugal, Italy and jews.

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I dont know her ethnicity but could be ehtnicaly spaniard. Nice bitch, not easy to find spanish porn actress, they are too aware of slut-shaming .
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lol when people post tan people as Spaniards, you can tell none of the people posting pictures have ever been to Spain or Portugal. They're pale as shit without tans. Half of these people being posted have pictures untanned and yet people are finding pictures where they are tanned to fuck to use as examples.

Idiots, no white person is brown if you see a white person with naturally brown skin, they're mixed period. Southern Europeans don't have higher melanin counts than any other Europeans they get sunburnt just as much as any other.

"Southern Europeans (measures taken from Spaniards) show a skin pigmentation in parts of the body not exposed to the sun similar to that of Northern Europeans and, in some cases, even lighter. All samples are composed of indigenous populations, and readings are taken on areas of the body not exposed to the sun. Higher values indicate lighter skin, and lower values darker skin."
EUROPE

Netherlands
67•37
Germany (Mainz)
66•90
United Kingdom (Northern)
66•10
Spain (Basques)
65•70
United Kingdom (Wales) 65•00
Ireland (Rossmore)
64•75
Spain (Leon)
64•66
Belgium
63•14
United Kingdom (London) 62•30

WEST ASIA

Iraq/Syria (Kurds)
61•12
Turkey
59•15
Israel
58•20
Lebanon
58•20
Jordan
53•00
Saudi Arabia
52•50

NORTH AFRICA

Algeria (Aures)
58•05
Tunisia
56•30
Morrocco
54•85
Libya (Tripoli)
54•40
Libya (Fezzan) 44•00

SOUTH ASIA

India (Northern)
53•26
Pakistan
52•30
India (Southern)
46•70



EAST ASIA

China (Southern)
59•17
Vietnam
55•90
Japan (Northern)
54•90
Philippines (Manila)
54•10
Cambodia
54•00
Japan (Southwest)
53•55
Nepal (Eastern)
50•42

AUSTRO-MELANESIA

Papua New Guinea
35•30
Australia (Darwin)
19•30

AMERICAS

Greenland (Southern)
55•70
Peru (Nunoa)
47•70
Peru (Maranon)
43•05

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA

South Africa (Hottentot)
46•80
Botswana (San)
42•40
Zaire
33•20
Kenya
32•40
Ethiopia
31•70
Tanzania (Sandewe)
28•90
Namibia
25•55
Cameroon (Fali)
21•50
Mozambique (Chopi)
19•45

[Nina Jablonski and George Chaplin. "The Evolution of Human Skin Coloration". J Hum Evol, 2000; pp. 74-75]
http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem...color_2000.pdf


The only difference is less of them have the pink pigmentation, but pinkness doesn't really have anything to do with being fair, and to be honest it's not a good trait to have in the first place.
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chronic4 wrote:
loveblondes wrote:

You clearly have never seen bavarians.. the large chunk of bavarians and Austrians have some sort of lightbrown to dark blond hair... They are definitely lighter haired/blonder and more germanic featured than British people (who tend to heavely lean towards brunette hair and light eyes in average).


anybody who has minimum experience in europe can debunk all those myths created by colonial americans, aussies and canadians about british being anglosaxon/germanic and can attest how the inhabitants of the Isles resemble much more western atlantic populations of europe ,western/northwest france and Northern Iberia, although worst looking and in a worse diet.

Brits and Irish are far more med looking (you can almost always see med strains in their phenotypes) than compared to austrians who are usually faelid, borreby , subnordid and with dinarid and alpinid strains... which give them sometimes a slight slavic vibe which gets even more evident in the case of Austrians.


Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Bavarians are comparable to the Welsh. Blonde hair also =/= germanic. The most blonde country in Europe is not Germanic. Sami are heavily blonde, they are not Germanic. Finns are the most blonde, they are not germanic. Germanic in is a linquistic group, not an ethnicity and you're borderline retarded if you think any nation in Europe is "pure germanic" even Scandinavia has changed much since the viking age what makes you think Germany is considering its location in Europe? Germanic groups, meds, slavs, celts have all been in Germany at one point. Many Bavarians and especially Austrians could fit right in Northern Italy. Even the Welsh on average are lighter pigmented and Brits as a whole fairer than Germany. Brits are the palest people in Europe especially the Irish. The majority of German Americans came from Bavaria and this is what the majority looked like.

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Only blondes were mostly children which got much darker with age same as the Welsh. The English and Scottish Americans in general were lighter. What is the obsession with blonde hair? the best looking Brits, Scandinavians and Germans tend to have neutral colors going from brown to darker not blonde. Even blonde Italians tend to look more incel than the brown haired ones.
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